Geoff and Amy's trip to Europe Part Two. They are back home and reflecting on their recent trip to Paris. They discuss four books set in the City of Light including one book that pushes the podcast's PG rating!
Books and Resources Discussed:
Ticket to Paradise, movie 2022
Earful Tower https://theearfultower.com/
Marie Antoinette, movie 2006
Henry and June by Anaïs Nin
Murder in Clichy by Cara Black
Jacqueline in Paris: A Novel by Ann Mah
The Margot Affair (debut novel) by Sanaë Lemoine
Atonement by Ian McEwan
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Geoff and Amy's trip to Europe Part Two. They are back home and reflecting on their recent trip to Paris. They discuss four books set in the City of Light including one book that pushes the podcast's PG rating!
Books and Resources Discussed:
Ticket to Paradise, movie 2022
Earful Tower https://theearfultower.com/
Marie Antoinette, movie 2006
Henry and June by Anaïs Nin
Murder in Clichy by Cara Black
Jacqueline in Paris: A Novel by Ann Mah
The Margot Affair (debut novel) by Sanaë Lemoine
Atonement by Ian McEwan
Follow Red Fern Book Review:
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Hello, welcome back to the red fin. But today I am joined by Jeff to talk about all things Pyrrhus. You're recently back from a trip. We've been back for a week, and we're going to discuss our trip. And we're going to talk about all the books we read over there and also about some media and podcasts that we were listening to you that we enjoyed. And we're going to talk about four books. And they are Henry and June by Anaïs Nin, Murder in Clichy, which is a detective action thriller by Cara Black, this historical fiction novel Jacqueline in Paris by an MA and The Margot Affair, which is a debut novel by Sanaë Lemoine. And with that, I want to say, Hello, Jeff, and welcome back home.
Geoff Mair:Thanks, Amy. I'm excited to be doing the podcast, you know, on our trip to France, which was super fun.
Unknown:We had originally planned to record in Paris, but we both got sick at the end of the trip. Yeah. So
Geoff Mair:we were planning to do a podcast the last week while we were there, but we both got quite sick, the wheels kind of fell off. And, you know, our voices would not have been in good shape for the podcast. So we decided to hold back until we got home. So it was a great decision.
Unknown:I'm a little disappointed. We won't hear the traffic in the background or
Geoff Mair:stuff was fine, but it wasn't wasn't practical.
Unknown:No. So okay, anyway. First, I wanted to ask you what, what were kind of the high points of the trip for you?
Geoff Mair:The whole trip or just Paris? Just Paris or
Unknown:France? Yeah.
Geoff Mair:Well, Paris, I thought in Paris is like an amazing city, my favorite part of Paris was just kind of wandering around in Paris. You know, when you walk around in Paris, you can see Paris culture, like, it's very much cafe culture, you know, the restaurants were all full all the time, not with tourists, but with Freezy ins who love to get out of their apartment, and just hang out and smoke cigarettes and drink wine and drink coffee at cafes. And I just, I love that culture. You know, I love the food. I think the food's amazing, although not all the food was amazing. But some of it was really like some of the best food I've ever had in my life. So I always love, you know, having interesting cuisine when I travel. So that was that was really fun. Yeah, it was an amazing trip.
Unknown:I actually liked it a lot when we got out of the city. I mean, I loved Paris, but I learned that about myself that I liked the smaller experiences, and maybe it's so busy.
Geoff Mair:And October, it wasn't busy with tourists. It was busy with Parisians.
Unknown:No, it was so busy. And if you would go someplace, you know, I remember that one day, we went to mom art, which is for most of you know, it's a little area that overlooks the city. And it's super quaint. And you see it. Yeah, they know soccer for and it's, you know, it's just that kind of place where you picture, we're going to hold hands and walk down the cobblestone streets and have a crepe, and we went on like a cloudy day on like a Wednesday at 130. And we could barely even see the street. And it
Geoff Mair:was our second trip there. On our first trip there. We'd been for Wine Festival, and we thought, oh, we'd like to go back when it's not so full. But there was almost as many people without the wine festival.
Unknown:Yeah, so it's a busy town. It's busy. But okay, so before we get to the books, I wanted to talk about a couple of things that we listened and watched. First of all, we were without television the whole time we were there, which for you and me was kind of a shock. Because I'm really used to watching both of us watch TV. And you like to
Geoff Mair:game? Yes. So I got a bit of withdrawal. That was a
Unknown:bit weird. But anyway, we made it through. But one day, we just seen enough monuments. I can't remember if that was the day we went to the loo but it was raining and so we went to see a movie my idea. And what was we went to see ticket to paradise with George Clooney and Julia Roberts and the reason why we went one thing we found out is that in France, what they do is they'll show English language movies, they'll just play it in the original language and then do the subtitles. So we could enjoy that.
Geoff Mair:Really, that was the only one we could find. And it was the only one we get to the French make a ton of their own movies. Like I know, it's kind of blown away by how many movies they have that are done in French language in France.
Unknown:And they have like, they always want to talk about like historical events. Exactly. They're very proud. Yeah, I thought the Americans were proud until we were in France until we were in France. Like they're very proud people. But this movie. So the story is George Clooney and Julia Roberts play a unhappily divorced couple former couple, and their beautiful daughter takes off to Bali. Just traveling and before you know it, she lets them know just within like weeks that she's fallen in love and planning to marry a local guy. And so anyway, they have to team up and get along and go to valley and try to stop this wedding. And what do you think of this movie?
Geoff Mair:Well, I'm embarrassed to say I really enjoyed it. But I think the reason I enjoyed it was I was really craving some North American culture at the time, it was pouring rain outside, and it was just really fun to go to a movie with you. But the movie itself, I have to say is not great. Like it's very, I thought it was quite contrived. But it was fun. I think it was fun. It was fun.
Unknown:It's a big movie, but I don't think it's trying not to be
Geoff Mair:trying very hard at all. I think George clarity, you know, and Julia Roberts wanted to go to valley and make a movie together.
Unknown:I think so too. Because it was during the pandemic and they probably had a blast. And Julie has got her beautiful smile. And in a ray of pantsuits, like every scene are different. And then George Clooney kind of is, you know, his charming self and I will Yeah, I think it's I think it's probably I don't know if you need to go to the movie theater, though. I have probably a probably rent wait. Okay, so the second thing I want to mention, is a really great podcast called and it's a blog, and it's called earful tower. And it is run by this very photogenic guy, young guy named Oliver ghee, and his beautiful wife, Lena, and they're adorable baby. And they're both appear to be 30 Somethings, and he's originally from Australia, and she is Scandinavian. And so what they do is they do a wonderful podcast and blog about all things Paris, and it's it's geared towards tourists. So if you are missing Paris, if you've been there, you want to check it out. Or if you're planning to go, I highly recommend it. And they don't get paid for anything they recommend. So they one of my favorite things is they, for a whole year, they did each arrondissement, and they just give you a couple of great little tips. And they break it down because you can get so overwhelmed by all the wonderful choices you have to make. And we we followed it a bit. Wouldn't you say that?
Geoff Mair:We got some really great tips out of it. It's it's easy to listen to it. I think it goes kind of a step beyond most of the tourist blogs and goes into places that you would really only know if you'd spent like a lot of time in Paris and they live there. Yeah, they live there. So I thought it was really good actually. Fun. They're fun.
Unknown:They're fun. And then the last media I wanted to recommend was the movie Marie Antoinette, which is written and directed by Sofia Coppola. And I think we both give that a five star review.
Geoff Mair:Well, it was great because we one of the, you know very highlights of my trip was we did this bike tour in Versailles and went all around Versailles and to Marie Antoinette's little faux village that she created little faux village in the back of Versailles, which was one of the things that kicked off the French Revolution or it was one of the things that fed the French revolution because she was you know, people thought she was mocking them because she created a village like commoners villages. And they were she was kind of trouncing around and it with her rich, wealthy friends and, you know, pretending to be normal. And people didn't like that. No, it was like many of the things that Marie Antoinette did that, you know, spurred on the French Revolution.
Unknown:Yeah, and we had just seen we just got on this tour, and then we went, we saw the movie, and it was just beautifully filmed, like beautiful and it was all done
Geoff Mair:at Versailles. Versailles. It's good. It's quite amazing
Unknown:with Kirsten Dunst, and Jason Schwartzman and one of my favorite things about it, and it all seemed like kind of done on like a foggy, beautiful day. And there was a awesome soundtrack with tunes from the 80s and 90s. Like the strokes and you order the cure Adam and the ants and it. What I thought was really cool is I often don't like movies that are overly stylized. Like I know you do a bit. I don't like that. Like, I really don't like Peaky Blinders, for example, which I know you love just because I don't like the way it's filmed. I find it too fantastical. And this was so cool, because it was really pretty true to historical fast, very historically accurate, but yeah, it was very modern, like the music. And there was a modern edge to it. But it was super watchable. Like, I just didn't find it. There was fantasy. I don't know, I just thought it was lovely.
Geoff Mair:Well, what I liked about it is that it was very historically, yeah, and my impression, and I just I'm kind of guessing at this, but I'm thinking because they filmed it or Versailles, they had to actually get permission to do it. Yeah. And the owners have resigned would not have allowed it to be made if it wasn't historically accurate. So it was hyper accurate,
Unknown:but somehow also
Geoff Mair:fickle and modern and totally fun. Yeah,
Unknown:the the other thing that I thought was great. I loved you know, we didn't go on that many tours throughout our trip. But every time we did, I loved hearing from local people and what I thought was so interesting, which was also portrayed in this film. Like in school, when we learned about Marie Antoinette, she just seems like this awful person. And I found that that our tour guide had a lot of sympathy for her, and that she kind of was set up and really didn't have much choice now. And she wasn't prepared. She wasn't supposed to be
Geoff Mair:what she liked. 15 or 16 when she became queen. Yeah. And
Unknown:she wasn't supposed to be so she didn't have the education, the proper training, and she didn't have the exposure, and the age and wisdom and she was kind of almost a sacrificial lamb. That's I felt that she did make bad choices. But I thought it was interesting that there, there was some sympathy, and I also really felt that in the movie as well.
Geoff Mair:Well, and her husband, which we learned on our trip was autistic, and I thought they did a really good job of portraying that. Suddenly, you know,
Unknown:yeah. Or or believed to be Yeah, for sure. Definitely. was an outside the box, dude. Yeah. And that's for sure. Okay. Let's talk about the books now. Okay, I, this is going to be interesting, because Jeff is going to talk about Anthony snin. And I don't know what he's gonna say. And you better keep was my, my family rating on the podcast or the PG rating? So, the SEC cells, do you want to go first or do want to go last? One like to go first? Okay. All right, here we go.
Geoff Mair:So, any Sneem for those of you who don't know, is considered the first significant female writer of erotica. So when Amy asked me to choose a French author to discuss on the podcast, I really only had ever heard of one and anaise needs name popped into my head. And so I decided to do that for my book. So a little bit of background on nsdn. She was born in 1903. She was the daughter of, you know, two relatively famous musicians, one a composer, and one a classically trained singer. So she grew up in our artistic family. She's Cuban French, but she was mostly raised in the United States. So she has obviously very strong English language skills and and an American background. She lived in Paris for 16 years, from the age of 21, till she was about 37. And it was during this time that she wrote her diaries, she wrote diaries, actually from the age of 11 on and the diaries that she wrote during her time in Paris, are what became Henry in June. So at the time of writing, she was married to a gentleman named Hugo Giler and he was sort of a boring banker, like, I think she loved him, but she was quite bored by him and he was a very sort of inside the box, you know, conservative guy. But I do you know, I do think she loved him. But she clearly needed more from her life. So while she was in Paris, she met Henry Miller. And Henry Miller, for those of you don't know, is a, you know, relatively famous author from the early 1900s. He wrote Tropic of Cancer and other books.
Unknown:Waitwait, early 1900s early, yeah, okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, like
Geoff Mair:1920. Yes. And, you know, Henry Miller was being paid by a wealthy patron to write erotica. And so that's kind of how an ace meme got into writing erotica. But so she was writing fictional erotica, but she was also writing her diary. And it was during this time that she really had like, a full on sexual awakening. So she was married to Hugo, but she started having an affair, not only with Henry Miller, but also with Henry Miller's wife, June. What? Yeah. And the list actually goes on. And we just
Unknown:did Hugo know about all this? No, he didn't.
Geoff Mair:He didn't, and it never actually goes, you know, the book never gets into explaining how that all turned out. But I believe she ended up actually divorcing Hugo and getting remarried later in her life. But she was in addition to having an affair with Henry Miller, she was also having an affair with Eduardo Sanchez, who was her cousin, which is a bit you know, a bit off but and she really was attracted to him. And then she was also, you know, while she was having this, these affairs and having this sort of sexual awakening, she was also doing psychoanalysis. So she was super into this was the time of Freud and psychoanalysis was really very big. And so she was going to this psychoanalyst named Rene Alain de. And, you know, she was talking about all of the sexual affairs that she was having during this time with her psychoanalyst. And then she eventually ended up having an affair with him as well. So it's, you know, it's quite a, it's quite an interesting book in that way. Because
Unknown:so what's the book? The book is fiction,
Geoff Mair:no. Mystery diary.
Unknown:Oh, it's just her diary. It's considered and June as Henry's wife, genius, Henry's
Geoff Mair:wife. Yes. Oh, so she had, you know, her affair with June was less. It's a little bit tough to tell from the book because a lot of it sort of her fantasizing about June. But she clearly had some sort of like, I don't know if erotica is the right word, but she had some sort of like connection to June beyond just, you know, friendship. So
Unknown:what how was this book received at the time?
Geoff Mair:You know, it was never released at the time it was her diary. You know, create, like, out of her diary, several books were made. You know, this is the one that sort of takes the relevant aspects of her relationship with Henry and Jun and these other characters and sort of like, combines them into the book that is Henry and Jim. And so I think it was released in like, I want to say the 1950s. But even at the time, I think it was probably pretty revolutionary. She She was releasing fictional books at the time. I'm not actually sure how they were received. And I believe she wrote them under a pseudonym, because nobody was really releasing erotica at the time, you know, under their own names, because it was really, really looked down upon.
Unknown:What did you What did you think of the book? Well,
Geoff Mair:it's up a couple of things. I'll say, I think that anyways, Nene was a real revolutionary like she was for her own reasons, not because she was trying to move women's, you know, sexuality forward, but she actually ended up sort of doing that she is one of the first sort of female you know, authors to say, yeah, it's okay to for women to enjoy sex and do whatever they want to do. And I think that's, you know, pretty positive. I don't know that she meant to do that with Henry June because it was a diary, but she was clearly clearly trying to do that with some of her other books. What did I think of the book, you know? Um, I enjoyed the writing, I think her writing is very beautiful, like the words she uses are, you know, very well chosen and just quite poetic. You know, I think she did a quite quite a good job of portraying the characters of Henry in June, you know, you get to know them quite a bit. And, and sort of like, are interested in them, and it gets a lot into, you know, not just all this sex that's going on, which is kind of fun to read, but it's, it also gets into all the insecurities and jealousies and, and challenges that go along with having multiple sexual partners at one time. So I thought that was quite interesting. You know, where I thought it didn't totally catch me is, anyways, meanwhile, she was a sexual revolutionary, wasn't a particularly deep thinker beyond that. So, you know, she's a bit vain, she's a lot vain. And she, the things she cares about tend to be, you know, people's looks and you know, things that are quite vain. Yeah, so, so Nene herself is She's a bit too shallow and a bit too vain, for me to find her attractive as a as a character. And so, you know, I, you know, one of the questions I was kind of, like, trying to ask myself is like, is this good erotica? And like, is it interesting to listen to? And well, I found it quite sexy. I didn't find it to be a turn on, because I found the characters a little bit like, a little bit too vain, and not that like, engaging. So yeah, I kind of enjoyed the book, but I, you know, I didn't Yeah, I thought it was fine.
Unknown:Okay. All right. So I'm going to talk about three bucks, two that I liked, and then I'm going to pull in one that I just loved from a year ago, because I felt like I had to end on that. But the first book I want to talk about is murder at Clichy, which is a detective action thriller, I would say. And if you liked the show moonlighting from the 80s I think this might be for you. So it is by an American author named Kara black. And what she's done is she's obsessed with Paris. She loves it. And she's set these murder mysteries in each around this month in Paris. And what what's interesting is this one murder murder at Clichy, I think you said Henry, in June takes place
Geoff Mair:in Clichy really lived in Krishi.
Unknown:So this neighborhood was interesting. We walked through it because we wanted to both understand it. It's a weird neighborhood. It was, in my opinion, you know, each, you know, there's 20 districts in Paris, and many, if not all of them each have their own little flavor. This one was kind of a mishmash.
Geoff Mair:I think it's because it's been gentrified, very, very slowly, over a very long period of time. Like when Henry Miller was living there, it was described as being kind of a seedy part of town. And it's close to the gala where all the sex clubs are,
Unknown:like that. Also part of it's quite fancy. Yeah. So it's kind of this that's a gentrified part. I don't know I there's something about it, it's sort of I didn't really like it that much compared to all the other neighborhoods, it was kind of blocked to me. But this, this book, is sat there. And what she does so well, is she does take like real churches, real places, real things that happen in the neighborhood, so you really feel like you're there. And what it is, is her heroine is named a May same name as me but spelled differently pronounced differently. So a mela Duke and she runs a a detective agency. And so of course, like any serial detective novel, she finds herself in very dangerous situations on the on the regular. And in this case, she ends up going to she's doing meditation at a church includes she and a woman, a nun hands her an envelope and says, Hey, can you go give this to somebody? And so she agrees to do it. And because it's a nun, and then she goes to meet the person, and as she's handing off the document, she's given something in return. And it's this mysterious Jade that's gone missing, and the guy is murdered on the spot right in front of her. So then there's this whole envelope. Yes, yes. And so then it involves the French Secret Service, a group of veterans of war and into China, some wealthy ex colonials, international corporations, seeking oil rights, and there's this whole like, that's how the story unfolds. My mom recommended this. Yes, kerfuffle. My mom recommended this ship absolutely loves this series. I didn't love it. I found it kind of. I don't know how to describe it. You like a cozy mystery? It's a cozy you know what? Yeah, that's right. It's a cozy mystery. I liked it. I just didn't love it. But if you like cozy mysteries, and you like Paris, you might want to try, you might want to check this, this author out. Okay, the next book is called Jacqueline, Jacqueline, and Paris by an MA. And this book got a lot of buzz this fall. And I listened to it on audio, which I really enjoyed. And what it is it is an historical novel about Jacqueline Kennedy. And she did a year abroad in Paris. And so it was September 1949. And that's all true. And so the author who is clearly loves Paris, she's not Parisian. She has pieced together, what likely happened while she was there, and then also taken it and run with it into this beautiful historical novel. And, you know, Jacqueline Bouvier at the time. She is at Vassar College, and she has, she comes from a wealthy family, but also kind of a family that's trying to engineer her into a really great marriage. She doesn't come from she's not a blue blooded American. And so there's a lot of pressure on her to be a certain way. She's a debutante she's, but she's allowed to go on this trip. And kind of almost like a run Springer events, like kind of just, they know she's gonna discover herself soon. Yes, of course, she falls in love. And also just gets exposed to new ideas. For example, she's exposed one big threat in this novel is communism. And while she's been taught as an American how awful it is, she's exposed to it in kind of a philosophical way. Because while we know communism is a bad idea, if you look at some of the philosophical arguments behind it, maybe at the time, she starts to maybe look at it in a greater way, like, starts to kind of understand,
Geoff Mair:I don't think communism is de facto bad, it just hasn't worked out very well.
Unknown:It hasn't worked out. And it's just a beautiful look at the city and, you know, jazz cafes and theatre. And also, which I also noticed, when we're on our trip, it's very much just postwar. So the people that she's around, like, she's running into potential spies, people that are quite poor, because of all that they've lost during the war. Like you can really feel the war still, and that even so many years later, when we were traveling there, I could feel a lot about the war. And when people were talking about it, the monuments we actually went we went to ruin and we actually went to buildings that had you could see like the mortar shells that had been left in the buildings and you know, you just don't feel that up for obvious reasons here without having a world war on. On our soil, so that is explored. i It's a great book, I think, for listeners for this will really resonate with a lot of a lot of listeners. It's it's would be a great book club book. And an MA herself. She's written a couple of great books, she's written a book, The Lost vintage and another book called Kitchen Chinese. And she is a travel writer and journalist and she she is based partly out of Paris, and Washington DC. And she just does a really great job. I think one of the better jobs of kind of mixing historic Yeah, historical fiction, but also making a fun a fundraiser. So but I still wouldn't call I wouldn't give it five stars, but
Geoff Mair:is it pretty accurate, do you think?
Unknown:I think so. Like I think you I think Um, she, I think all of the things that happened could have happened. Okay. So but yet she I don't, I didn't feel that she was bound by it. Like I felt that she very much allowed it to read like a novel. So I like that. And then the last thing I wanted to mention was a is a fabulous book, which I've been wanting to talk with all of you about. And it's called the Margo affair by Sanae Lemoyne. And this is a literary book, it's a sexy book, it includes a lot of food writing, which is always fun, a lot of recipes. It's very French story. And what this book is about, is about a young woman named a nuke, and her dad or her father is a dip or he's a high up in the French government. And he is not married to her mother. So she's an illegitimate child. And his her mom is Margo, and she's this kind of fabulous actress, and he has a wife. And so she's always known that, and he has never publicly acknowledged her. But she turns 13, and she's in the Luxembourg Gardens, which I highly recommend you go to, if you ever in Paris, because we like that place. And she ends up seeing her father with his actual wife. And it really upsets her because she sees firsthand this other life. And up to now she's been kind of content because he spends tons of time with her. And so she does something kind of unthinkable. And there's a device where she ends up running into a journalist. And she does journalist befriends her at a party, and she just lets us information out about who she really is, because she wants to be known. And so that's the story and why it's
Geoff Mair:like that setup. That sounds interesting to me.
Unknown:Yeah, it's a good setup. And it really brings to mind. Francois Mitterrand. Metatron, when he died, there's this famous photograph of his wife, with the mistress alongside, and then the, his illegitimate daughter crying altogether. So you kind of that's kind of a French political culture, culture. And then this is this young girl talking about what it's really like, and just wanting to be known. And what's so good about it is it's got that she's very good, capturing that childlike voice, and how awful and wonderful and naive a 13 year old can be, and kind of capturing that time of life. And it also is a little bit reminiscent of Ian McEwan's Atonement, where a teenage girl also does something that changes everyone's life. And she's sort of playing with fire. And so this young woman is doing just that. But the the author is a young author, and she's really talented Sunday, and she has a multicultural background. Her her mother is Asian, her father is Parisian. And her mother's spent time in a Spanish speaking country and spoke Spanish to her. So she's just, and she now lives in New York. And she's also is a cookbook or has been a cookbook editor for Martha Stewart, another publishing company. So she's really into food. And if you follow her on her Instagram, she's got all these beautiful pictures of food, but I like this novel. It's a quiet novel. It's not that long, and it's just super well written. And just really captured my attention. So awesome. Sounds like a great book. Yeah. Anything else you want to say today?
Geoff Mair:No, I had a great time in France with you. It was fun.
Unknown:Yeah, it was fun. But what what did you learn about we learned a few things about traveling to didn't we? Maybe we don't go to museums together.
Geoff Mair:Yeah, we learned loads on the trip. The other one was maybe don't stay in one place for a month. Yes, we love Paris. But yeah, a month was a little too long in one place to be a tourist.
Unknown:Yeah, no, that's true. And you know what, Jeff does not have a big attention span. I have a longer one and I felt that it was a little too long. But you know what we did say like you could go somewhere and maybe also do something like have I don't know take a class. or
Geoff Mair:Yeah, I think it's too long to be a tourist in one place. Yeah, doing something other than being a tourist is not too long.
Unknown:Yes. Because you said the end of the day, like kind of halfway through. This is kind of about monuments and food. And so like, at we need to add something. Thankfully we had visitors. Yeah, so we broke stuff up and made a really fun Big shout out to our visitors, Christa, Jen, Gina Robin, and Robin crystally. We really liked we, you know, we didn't know we that well, maybe we're going to be having such a fabulous time. We don't know if we want visitors. And then we were like, how many more days until our visitors come? But we did. We had a great time. Oh, it was awesome. And I loved seeing Paris with you. Yes. So anyway, thanks so much for listening. And we'll talk to you later.
Geoff Mair:Thanks, Amy. Bye. Okay, bye.
Unknown:To do a round up of our trip to Paris and talk about the literature we read there. I don't think I'm going to be picking up Henry in June a time soon. But I really appreciate learning about any Sneem. And yeah, she was definitely ahead over time. That's for sure. And one other thing I wanted to point out, I forgot to mention what I was talking about the Margo affair, the author Sanae Lemoyne. The reason why she came up with idea for this book, was her father, in fact, had a separate family. And this came out later in her life. And he told her, and he's not famous, and she started to wonder what would happen if that happened to someone who was famous. And so that was kind of like germ. That's what the journal The idea for the book was. Anyway, thanks so much for tuning in. And I will talk to you later